The Gold Standard for Pitches


Listening to your interview with Desiree Adaway -- which was thought-provoking for me as a first-generation Taiwanese-American woman -- gave me an idea for someone you’ve already had on the show.


In 2016, you interviewed Jennifer Brown on recommendation from Nikki Groom, and you two attempted to unravel why diversity and inclusion was still a problem.


What I think is missing from your conversations with her and Desiree around this topic is a practical view of what it takes to change complex systems within organizations. Whether they’re small business owners or mid-level employees, people want to be inclusive, but they aren’t entirely sure how to do that.


Beyond discussing how the landscape has changed since movements like #MeToo, talking points that I thought you would find interesting are:


  • How to spot systemic flaws without over-relying on those already struggling to be heard
  • How to bounce back when you fail to be inclusive after doing/saying the wrong thing
  • What will help men lead and mentor women after #MeToo - and what it means to “prepare the ground”
  • Strategies for weathering the storm when people have negative reactions to change
  • How to use your voice for stigmatized communities even if you haven’t experienced their unique challenges


Plus, her new book How to Be an Inclusive Leader: Your Role in Creating Cultures of Belonging Where Everyone Can Thrive (Berrett-Koehler) comes out in August, and I would be happy to send you an advanced galley.


Would you be interested in having her back on? Let me know, and thanks for your time!